This post will explain you that, why this period will not be of subdued economic activities. This will be worse, besides good economic activity.
I liked the golden words from Sid, "The monetary supply, to maintain balance, must grow at a rate which approximates the growth in productive output, otherwise the money system will eventually starve itself of liquidity". This is perfectly right.
But my question is, What happens if the money supply increases without productive output.
People have gone crazy these days, they are hoarding on to cash as the best investment. If people keep the cash with them, the system will starve from liquidity. So government will have to inject more cash in the system. But, people will hoard all that cash again. Government print more and injects more.
Its sort of government is trying to unclog the credit system, by throwing cash. But people with all their belief that this is the end of 50 year long Kondratiev_wave, keep on hoarding cash. This creates a oversupply of cash in the system. Though, it will not look like it, because people are hoarding cash. But what happens when all this cash comes out to buy something.
My golden words are : "If majority understands the system and take action against it, the system changes itself".
Banks, whose primary duty in the system is to lend, are refraining from lending. People are so sure that this is great depression, they are keeping their cash at home. Everybody is cutting on those new purchases, because they think, they will be able to buy cheaper later on. Governments to stop the world from severe problem, are printing money, cutting rates, providing liquidity.
My view is also the same, that it will be very long slump in global economy, it terms of productivity. But, governments printing money at an insane rate to keep the system intact, are doing wrong. In dollar terms, it will be period of growth. People around will have a more terrible life, but Dow Jones Industrial Average will make new highs. Wages will be less, but not in money terms, but only in terms of things they can buy with it.
Kondratiev Wave, wiki page says this, "The business cycle is supposedly more visible in international production data than in individual national economies. It affects all the sectors of an economy, and concerns output rather than prices (although Kondratieff had made observations about the prices only)."
This is precisely my argument, the real economic output will be far less, but prices will be far more. When the cash which is being hoarded upon, comes out to buy something, things will appreciate in price. If prices of essential commodities doubles from here, the money system will ask for more money to buy essential things. This will lead to governments printing more, essential commodities rising more, money system starves again from liquidity and so governments print even more. Positive feedback loop of price rise begins.
I hope i made some of your questions clear, and planted new questions.
Saturday, January 31, 2009
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Hello Sid,
ReplyDeleteI have a question for you. Where do you think the money which the US government in planning to spend in bailouts is going to come from? I think most of Sumit's arguments are correct.
p.s. Sumit, please direct this to Sid.
Kiran Dasa
Oh Kaakakkk Kiran, I so hope you are a naive chick (22-25 yrs range and nice body and face) so I can easily get you.
ReplyDeleteThe money would come from borrowing (debt, loan, udhar, book swelling mechanism - and NOT PRINTING....ECON 101)and it would have to be serviced too. This is the reason that many states with Republican Governors are refusing to accept the bailout money(and I agree with them) as it will result in higher taxes going forward.
It was a lame question but I thought I should educate people once in a while for free.
I enjoy hammering and educating Mr. Punglia too once in a while. I hope he is seriously offended :) and kicks me from his blog.
Hello Sid,
ReplyDeleteI wonder how the government is going to repay the loans that have taken. You know, no one is telling that they are going to print money immediately.
At present, US is wrestling with trade deficit, budget deficit etc etc. They have 1% of the world foreign reserves. So they are not making any money clearly. They are able to carry on like this because of the loans they are getting now ( atleast you are correct about that).
Sooner or later, they have to release more money into the system. What happens then? Inflation ( I am guessing you know all this. I wonder why you do not think there is going to be inflation in the future).
True, that right now the money is not coming from printing. It is borrowed.
ReplyDeleteBut the bond market crash has started, and it will continue for the whole decade. US will soon be back to the time when interest rates were well above 6-8%. Inflation expectations are going to go high, for next 5-10 years.
Then no easy-money borrowing will exist. Governments will have to print to finance deficit. They will be powerless, to control the financial system, once the bond market crash.
Pungi and fans, pls get out of text books knowledge and growup now....enough is enough.
ReplyDeletefirst...to the anonymous kid with this comment...."They have 1% of the world foreign reserves"
Listen kid, stop playing with your dad's computer go do your school work. Leave the thinking to us, the pros. I hope Mr. Punglia agrees with me here and do not like rookie's here. No offense kid, but you need a lot of training and you are simply wasting our time here...
ok. enough bashing, now I'm now back to our stuff....
So, I almost fainted reading some heavy weight comments from Mr. Punglia.....
"But the bond market crash has started, and it will continue for the whole decade. US will soon be back to the time when interest rates were well above 6-8%. Inflation expectations are going to go high, for next 5-10 years.
Then no easy-money borrowing will exist. Governments will have to print to finance deficit. They will be powerless, to control the financial system, once the bond market crash."
I seriously hope that Mr. Punglia was drunk and didn't mean any of that.
BTW Mr. Punglia, we are 1-0 with the rupee trade, and this would be the second....I hit you one more time after this and you are strikeout....NO MORE PLAY FOR YOU SON.
What "crash" are we talking about here?
Did I hear correct that it will go on for a decade? Based on what?
I seriously am hoping that you are not trading what you are thinking. I hate to see people blowingup their accounts and getting out of market for good.
The biggest tool that you have never seen/experienced of, living in a pseudo-democratic country like India is policy formation.
Those two words have a sheer power that any of your textbooks cannot match or describe or explain. WAKEUP PPL!
Everthing depends on those two words in the next 6 months far as equity indexes are concerned
The odds of Mr. Punglia dying in sleep are better THAN bond market shutting down/crashing here. So sleep tight and have good dreams.
-Sid
Hello kids, some FYI's for you to worry/dream/think about...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2Al2vI0nBEI&refer=home
"Indian government debt is the equivalent of 80 percent of the nation’s GDP.
Standard & Poor’s said Feb. 24 that the nation’s credit rating may be cut to junk as government debt is reaching a level that’s “not sustainable.” S&P reduced India’s rating outlook to negative from stable. "
I hear the songs from far east about "Lungi is da man, our bank do not have exposure to subprime, SBI is good, ICICI excellent, financial system is safe and sound....ratings are junk...But Lungi can't dance saala"
I also hear that Modi is the next P.M. and the nation will be at war in 2009....I just don't know where these new voices are coming from....But I like 'em...
Thing that I forgot to mention/explain it to you kids in the last post was that once the price descovery starts after policy is laidout by Obama govt., markets will be back...all the activity will resume with new law in mind. System will flush itself out and a very healthy growth will resume...
I'm still laughing at that 1% foreign reserve comment, god help me sleep.
good night ppl.
Morning Kids, here you go for todays breakfast reading...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mayin.org/ajayshah/MEDIA/2009/fiscal_crisis_again.html
True, that India's fiscal conditions are worse,
ReplyDeletebut for the rupee dollar trade, you also need to look at the US fiscal conditions which are even more worse..
will look at the dollar rupee trade again .. for now it did hit a stoploss (giving a 9.5k at loss) ..
Sup Pungi!!! Long Tyme Dawg....
ReplyDeleteI had put this in my Outlook that I have to go back and revisit the comments here on your blog.
Man I'm cracking so loud right now after reading the comments. It was like I almost had a crystal ball and called everything right....damn I'm so feeling good right now.
Well, I'm sure the policy formation part was the last punch on your face.
Well, I don't follow your blog anymore as I'm too busy nowdays, but I will keep an eye and will comment whenever possible.
for now, I have a new bear buddy for you...Walstreetpro2
http://www.youtube.com/user/walstreetpro2
ENJOY PUNGI!!!! COS I'M SHORT NOW AND WE BOTH ARE IN SAME CAMP BRO....GO SHORTY!!!
(SHORT FOR TRADING PURPOSES ONLY, NOT A FOR GOOD DEPRESSED SHORT WHO NEVER SEES THE END OF THE TUNNEL SHORT)
oh! for your followers, sup doggies! This is Sid, as before I will love to see you disagree with me so please comment if you have any for Mr. Punglia and me...we both are in bear camp now.
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ReplyDeleteThing that I forgot to mention/explain it to you kids in the last post was that once the price descovery starts after policy is laidout by Obama govt., markets will be back...all the activity will resume with new law in mind. System will flush itself out and a very healthy growth will resume...
I'm still laughing at that 1% foreign reserve comment, god help me sleep. """"
MY O MY, SID THE PROGNOSTICATOR....remember this was in FEBRUARY....aight enough for the night...peace